The Sunrunner was one of a series of ~ 17' touring hulls Jim Henry designed in the 80s and 90s. They were early adopters of Kevlar and Royalex materials, switching to T-Formex when it wasdeveloped. Maine-based Old Town is one of Americas original canoe manufacturers. Planned to take it outside for some glamor shots but this weekend has been absurdly hot and humid. No wood rot. I'll be interested in what you find out when you get out of the phone queue. Learn more about Mad River canoes by checking out the reviews below. Canoe Mad River Explorer. Manufactured from 1994 to 1997, in Kevlar (55 lbs), Fiberglass (67 lbs) and Kevlar PVC (44 lbs). Also asked him for any literature on KE or Airex but I received nothing on these. Check with the owner and ask how they stored the canoe. You might invest in a can of Watco Teak Oil since you can also use it on the rest of the wood although your wood trim does not look desperate for attention. by pblanc Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:43 pm, Post I realize this thread is at least 4 years old, but I am a new comer to the forum who found this thread to be the closest thing to helping me decipher the serial number to a new/old canoe I just bought used. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. by openboat Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:01 pm, Post I do not know what the "A" represents. OT Camper 15 A UV-resistant coating provides additional sunprotection. post. So Camper is perfect for ponds and small lakes and for fishing solo. Completely agreed that plastic end caps are hokey however very practical if this thing will be used as a tripper. Also, any other info you HIN geeks can provide would be awesome. 1) The FC (Fiberglass Cloth) build does not show the floor being painted with "Protective Surface Paint" like all three of the Kevlar builds do. 3/17 . The announcement of the partnership was made at industry tradeshow Paddlesports Retailer last August in Oklahoma City. The serial number was put on the royalex hull using a black marker. Is Watco considered an oil? It consists of three distinct layers. id of old Mad river canoeI came for a similar reason trying to find the exact material of my MADEX135E787 This one. by Paddle Power Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:19 pm, Post I'll check out Ed's for the caning and some other wish list items. Try as she might, shes never gotten comfortable with the traditional tippy canoe feeling, despite my explaining why that can actually be a good thing. 3) This one may be a bit of a stretch butFor the KH build, the layer just beneath the outer gelcoat states it is "S Glass" and when I search images for S Glass I see photos of weaves just like what I see with my boat. $38.25. Plus, with the tractor seats, hard to solo unless you add a drop-in center seat. Your canoe was built in May of 2000. I updated with the photos from the ads. We are looking for general use mostly lake, pond or get onto the Wisconsin river flowage and paddle around and fish. 1) Anyone know where I could get the polypropylene, molded end caps, touch-up gellcoat, or even new-old-stock contoured seats?? Does that mean it is a 1993? The camo seems to be too high quality and intricate for an individual to have done, and it appears to be under the gel coat inside and outside of the hull. 1981 Mad River Canoe T.W. I bought the boat in 1976. Some pictures to show how nicely he kept it since 2004. 3/4 . T-Formex is the most ruggedmaterial. The regular Kevlar Explorers of this vintage were all Kevlar, all cloth boats (except for the gel coat) so they would have no raised areas on the hull bottom or sides. I like the sundowner a lot for a daycruiser, but the sunrunner would be my choice because its around 55lbs as opposed to the downers 65lbs. Shallow vee hulls have a unique feel in the water and they typically carve turns very gracefully. The polyethylene canoes are built in Greenville, South Carolina, in a factory managed by Mad Rivers parent company, Confluence Outdoors. Ive never paddled a Sunrunner but they have a solid reputation. I would imagine a well-built glass canoe such as this will not oil-can and am wondering if typical kevlar ultralights do? Thanks for buying that boat. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. Its a model thats well suited for a specific niche, but that seems to be your niche. I did get some info from tech support in the form of a '94 catalog. I don't blame you a bit for going after that other boat since it looks to be a fine boat at a great price. When I redid the cane on a boat recently I used a kit from Ed's which is a bit pricey but worked great, the wedges were helpful. boats. You might let the ends of your handles, thwarts, and drops soak in oil overnightonce in their lifetime, and I'd drip some oil down those drops. You will like it. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer and Wenonah in the western half of the Minnesota to Maine canoe market. sounds like leisurely day trips are the intended use, boat weight can be a factor as we get older. Beyond the ABS is a proprietary abrasion-resistant outer layer. and the Old Town Camper - 15 and 36" wide - the only photo in the ad, Im sure youll receive several opinions on these models and Im happy to add my two cents. New ash inwales/gunnels, decks, new webbed seats, buffed the hull. 2011. KE boats are not listed till the 2000 catalog so am wondering if marketing came up with that name to sexy-up the standard KV build?? Id lean towards the Camper for you and suggest that you and your wife try loading it to make sure youre comfy with the weight. Timeless and Rugged. There is room for it to be longer so maybe I will start with that and go from there. I am trying to contact the person who posted the ad. Based on your planned use however, Id guess its more boat than you need for two people doing day trips. That matters in your situation, more than the seats, gunwales, or design of the canoe. Plastic seats with aluminum struts between gunwales for seats (looks like the rivets for the seats go through the hull on the sides). If you can measure your boat, I can look at the catalog and tell u what model. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. Might not sound like much, but it makes a big difference. I hope your wife likes the color and I hope you share your impressions of the boat once youve spent some time in it. Good luck with whatever model you select. It's super gentleand that's what is on the Blackhawk in the pic. The cboats discussion speaks of kevlar airex boats having a raised football-shape on the floor which this doessort of. The tradeoff is that it does not maneuver as readily. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. 5h ago . Located in Long Beach, St. Leonard, Md, Calvert County It was conceived as a replacement for Royalex, long considered the gold standard for bombproof canoes. 17' Mad River Canoe teak gunals excelent condition, non tiping. On our most recent trip we did 120km/75mi in 6.5 days of moving. Archived Catalogs. The "Boats By Year" guide was made at least as late as 2011 so this could make sense. Have not looked yet. I vote mad river. So in the end got the right canoe at a good price and hopefully helped the gentleman to move to a new boat that will be a better fit for his situation. T-Formex is a stiff, durable material. It is a Mad River Canoe with serial # MADE5021L485 (The badeg is aged and so a little hard to read, so that is the best I can guess at a few of the characters!). Also not knowing exactly how the different fabrics looked. No doubt it is well made but being mid 40's forces me to consider weight. ButI can envision it with the seat components, thwart, & yoke matching the gunwales. . Or maybe following a test run in the spring I'll decide to keep it since it is so darned cool??? One last twistThe '97 catalog has nice exploded assembly illustrations of the lay-ups and in simply looking at the boat I would think it most resembles the KH build for three reasons. That said, if you spot a good condition, reasonably priced Wenona Aurora or Mad River Malecite (especially in kevlar), Id favor those two over the five you listed. 3/4 . You can take it for a week-long backcountry adventure or a float down a local river with your family. You can find some information about discontinued Mad River canoe models on their website. $600 for the camper and $800 for the Discovery both say original owners. Try (carefully) sitting in it while the canoe is resting on grass. Here's the link to the Ed's cane repair kit. Last week I did contact Confluence/MR tech support for PDFs of MR catalogs from '95 - 2000 as I already had the '94. Just trying to decipher what wood the gunwales are was challenging as they don't look anything like ash to me. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Maybe you have insight on this? I bought what I think is a Mad River Endurall from 1973 but the seller wasnt sure of the model. I bought it in '02. They are comparable to other popular canoe companies, like Nova Craft or Esquif. If the humidity ever drops so the oil can completely dry, I hope to get it out on the water for a test drive yet this fall. Best for leisurely excursions on smallish lakes and ponds, bad for whitewater I tried to add a picture but it says the file is too big. Just FYI my favorite home brew is 1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 mineral spirits, 1/3 distilled white vinegar and this was once sold as Gunnel Lotion is a local canoe shop. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield) Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. 2010. 4/13 . Mad River Model Produced Sunrunner KH 1996-1997 Sunrunner KL 1994 Synergy RX 1996-2000 If Im reading this right, youre looking for: tandem canoe also usable as occasional solo to fish, mostly lake and pond, no whitewater, no camping. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. 2012-14. Avoid Royalex boats, cross-link poly, or other heavy types of boat construction. 6,613 were here. It appears there is even a kneeling thwart just aft of the yoke for when you want to solo it. From what I have read about varnish vs oil it makes sense that oil be used on components that flex as varnish is rigid and develops hairline fractures that over time allow water in. In those 6.5 days we logged 30 total portages for a total of 10,350M which is just shy of 6.5 miles with none of it being flat or easy. In 2022, Confluence Outdoor, Mad Rivers parent company, announced they were pausing canoe production. Peace, Micah. Canoes from companies that have been around for decades, like Mad River, will periodically make their way onto used listings. The Journey and Explorer qualify as versatile touring canoes. Took some photos this AM but have yet to compare with the info shown in the '94 catalog provided to me by customer service. Want to know more? The odd thing is the boat is camouflage from the factory. Hello fellow paddlers. Tomorrow I will pick up a different scale & hopefully put this to rest. He was selling to move to a kayak as his wife has MS and can no longer manage in the canoe. for sale. Thanks for the tips on the potential of adding weight. Your boat looks like new or maybe better. Butthe '94 Sunrunner were dark stained as standard prior to the finish coat of either Gunwale Guard or Watco exterior. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer an 16' Mad River Explorer Canoe $400 oboRoyalex Hull Solid Mahogony Trim & Seats20 Years Old - Used about twice every summer need to sell to free up garage space Just in time for ski to sea competition paddle and two life jacketsHas condition issues, not pretty! Mad River has been building canoes for almost 50 years. Also note the paddle's edge which speaks to how little use this canoe had. You can even use some kind of vegetable oil if you don't want to buy anything. ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene) plastic layers encase both sides of the foam to protect it and add stiffness to the shape. Different materials match different needs, and Mad River makes the Explorer in T-Formex, Kevlar Fusion or Carbon. The MR and Wenonah are both good boats. Should not be in the 90's this time of the year in MN however it didn't help that I had my kiln running in the workshop yesterday which went past 2,000F. All the performance of the Adventure 16, with added stability and ease of handling on and off the water. Thanks for the suggestion on the seat trusses and also the link to Ed's Canoe. KE boats are not listed till the 2000 catalog so am wondering if marketing came up with that name to sexy-up the standard KV build?? Ive had good experiences in OT Campers over the years when used in the conditions youve mentioned. TB, Hey RobWhat can you tell me about my boat. I am really looking for the same age Explorer in the same deep red color or other non red (cherry) or standard green. Instead got the bathroom scale out again and weighed myself and then me with shouldered canoe and did the math. Thanks, Make Light canoes are a beautiful thing. If youre eager to get on the water, then prepare to pay a bit more in the summertime. That is an appendage. columbia, MO. If you look at the Camper first thing to do is flip it over and see how much wear it has and whether the Royalex skin is intact. DarnMy search for a good deal on a tripping canoe continues. Their hulls have a rounder, shallow-arch shape, in contrast to the flatter bottom of the Adventure. As for the finished look, I am satisfied with the colors as the gunwales now match the seat cane and check out the paddle (came with the package deal if you can believe it) it all goes together. columbia, MO. Thanks. Two atypical layover days not counted. Introducing the new Explorer 16. I can sure relate to leaving the natural wood color too. What I cant figure out is what our model is. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe If youre keen on a solo canoe shorter than 12 feet or a canoe for less than $1,500, consider an Old Town. Having the weight directly above the scale is more sensible. 17 isnt too long or short, can carry a decent load, has a little rocker for streams, gel coated Kevlar is an ideal layup - light but semi durable (much more so than skincoat Kevlar at least). Mad River Canoe Kevlar Explorer 1992. Mad Rivers Explorer in Kevlar Fusion or carbon are both good choices for paddlers who want a lightweight composite canoe. Mad River Sunrunner - Kevlar with cane seats and wood gunwales and is a 1998. Mad River Malecite, Bought 1994, used little, includes 2 wood paddles, mats, block for car top carrying. It also looks like perfect paddling weather today. Micah. If you are going to car top your canoe, the lighter the better. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. Congrats on your new boat! Agreed on the weighing difficulties but I have been to Wisconsin a time or two and have seen individuals in bars sporting Sheboygan Goiters that must've been darn close to a 16ft cantilever. The different materials match various price brackets, and their designs have lasted years because they work. No camping, no white water just pleasure. color obviously not a factor in performance, but if the wife likes it, its certainly a plus Its a fine small tandem and you would enjoy it solo. Canoe Mad River Explorer. Its a beautiful canoe with graceful lines, Swifts classic two-tone color scheme and features like cherry seats and yokes. Would a glass lay-up have a raised floor? I just found one error in the "Boats By Year" PDF as it states the only KL Sunrunner was in '94 however all catalogs (94-97) list the KL version. In rough water a more rounded hull is better. 3/26 . View our answers to common questions below. Both have blow molded seats in them. Use the part # shown in the schematic to locate the correct part. pelicanmy last numbers on my pelican kayak is j809 does that mean it was made in august 2009? The company was born shortly after the founder, Jim Henry, won the 1971 U.S. National Open Canoe Championship in his hand-built canoe. Recently picked this beauty up for a song and trying to find out more about it as I could locate only one post from the all-knowing google. My wife loves the Camper because its initial stability is so good. 2) Is there any potential problem with a very thin gap between the two-part gunwales on either side as resetting the screws does little to close the gap? The Kevlar Fusion weighs 44 pounds. Thanks. Its best if the canoe has been kept inside, or at the very least, away from direct sunlight. Since the change, all the # tells someone is month and year. Probably depends on ribs, etc. If I may say Id suggest that you just offer full asking price for the Bell if you can get it and its not too far. Finding used canoes requires frequent searching. A Mad River is a good option if youre looking for a no-nonsense, high-quality canoe. 18 ft. Mad River "lamoille" kevlar canoe. $887,744 hide. No ribs however. Looking for discontinued models or older catalogs? I was tempted because it looked like a good deal but already have a Bell Northwind 16rx that I set up for solo. I am looking for some of the old fiberglass long decks. Jim, Was just gifted a Mad River Revelation that is said to be a Kevlar boat Serial # is: MADRE690B797 (I guess Ill be calling it Madre) could anyone offer help with identification? The flat bottom on the Camper makes it feel stable on calm water. For the prior weight attempt I simply held the canoe on my haunches but in thinking over this method I can imagine how that arrangement could've registered a lighter weight given I was somewhat off balance. I will be sharing more this weekend on some of the other topicsImages of Quetico fires and my 10 lb camp kitchenIf I can find the photos of my brother's old Penob custom painted blue with ghost flames I will be sure to post. Thanks for the great help. Or did you mean the width of the boat from gunnel to gunnel where the seats are currently located? 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