Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. 1. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. Because he is a pastor? John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. Period. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. Hardly the same as Furticks message! . He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. . The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. I surrendered to a calling of God. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. complete with standing ovation. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. Really? I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. pokmon the series xyz. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. He is a ministry collaborator with . However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. That is just nuts. All rights reserved. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. Could you tell me the difference? Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. 4, 3-4). It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. I know the drill. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. Why shouldnt he? I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. I can write the e-mails. See what mine own hands have wrought. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. And they aint all wrong. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Marantha! It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. But to me that is clear what it is. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. Furtick preaches a different gospel. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. Pastor / Teacher. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Have mercy! (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Truth in love. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Dear David, [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! MacArthur has written three books on the subject. ", "What is dispensationalism? 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. It just looks weird. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. I did read your comments. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. Sums it all up. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. PPS. It is quite shocking. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? Their influence has been growing and recently . So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. He was unable to preach the second service. I dont do stock answers. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. Finally that book! For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. By the way I got your recommended book. It all depends how you measure success! Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). Can I suggest a little more humility? A point you also mentioned. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. Simply not true. Excellent post! Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Legal Statement. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. It happens. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. 2. I find this very revealing. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. There's some really helpful information in there. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. . "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Firstly in the teaching. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. lq mk MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. 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